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Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mar. janv. 24, 2017 7:48 pm
par Macromalhuile37
Some of us have run a long time whith those valves....But several of us had Problems whith them...leak and burned solenoid ...For mee this product have not it's place on a bus because of the fire risk....

Buy manual ones if your are short in budget...They wont set the bus on fire...

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. janv. 27, 2017 4:15 am
par AlmaSana
Macromalhuile37 a écrit :Some of us have run a long time whith those valves....But several of us had Problems whith them...leak and burned solenoid ...For mee this product have not it's place on a bus because of the fire risk....

Buy manual ones if your are short in budget...They wont set the bus on fire...
And why is the place for a car?
Do you know better ones?


What about this ones:
http://www.wvodesigns.com/raw-power-3-p ... valve.html

If not, i put manual ones, but they will be far from the pump so it will
go on sucking the liquid it has for a couple of seconds because of the lenght
of the hose.


thankss

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. janv. 27, 2017 3:40 pm
par joumpy
Hi Alma,
these ones will do the job
just make sure you can get fittings corresponding to the port threads
god bless

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : sam. janv. 28, 2017 3:40 am
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :Hi Alma,
these ones will do the job
just make sure you can get fittings corresponding to the port threads
god bless
the chinnese ones or this ones?
http://www.wvodesigns.com/raw-power-3-p ... valve.html

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : lun. janv. 30, 2017 11:51 am
par joumpy
the raw power ones... :D :D :D

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mer. avr. 19, 2017 4:56 am
par AlmaSana
Coming soon...

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mer. avr. 19, 2017 6:46 pm
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :Hi Alma,
Sometimes, the heat exchanger is not on the diesel circuit, but on the engine oil circuit: it is used to cool the engine oil down. Then it is close to the oil filtering element. Have a look this way.
If it is not possible to find such a heat exchanger, do not bother with new ones, build your own.
2 copper tubes Ø10 mm minimum internal 1 m long.
Wrap them with copper wire, heat up and use lead/tin solder.
1 tube for cooling fluid, the other for oil, flows in opposite direction.
Insulation around the assembly and you are good to go.
God bless
My fellow friend,
Valvs and his fittings arriving.
I want to build the exchanger and i know two ways to build them...

This one that you told me, i found where to buy the copper tubes.

And another one y saw in "El Gordos Frintagueros" land rover.
Its a copper 10mm tube all twisted inside a fire extinguisher.
The oil goes trough the copper line and the water goes trough the
fire extinguisher..

Or copper arround exhaust?


Wich one you think is better?!


love and peace
respect
Alma
Whatsapp: +5491161712110 if anyone wants to keep more in touch
I will go on posting here anything I lear about this case in this post..

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : jeu. avr. 20, 2017 4:19 pm
par joumpy
Hi Alma,
Fire extinguisher will do but it is rather large.
Exhaust exchange can be a problem because the temperature of the exhaust is not under control.

God bless

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : jeu. avr. 20, 2017 8:19 pm
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :Hi Alma,
Fire extinguisher will do but it is rather large.
Exhaust exchange can be a problem because the temperature of the exhaust is not under control.

God bless
Thanks a lot!
Large because of the size? or time?
i have enough space :)

Getting ready for the frying smell

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. avr. 21, 2017 3:10 pm
par joumpy
Hi Alma,
Because of the size, yes!
and therefore a long length of copper tube creating loss of pressure and a large amount of cooling fluid in the extinguisher bottle.
God bless

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : sam. avr. 22, 2017 8:00 am
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :Hi Alma,
Because of the size, yes!
and therefore a long length of copper tube creating loss of pressure and a large amount of cooling fluid in the extinguisher bottle.
God bless
you are the one..

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. mai 05, 2017 11:16 pm
par AlmaSana
My friends! LOOK who had arrived!

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. mai 05, 2017 11:17 pm
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :Hi Alma,
Because of the size, yes!
and therefore a long length of copper tube creating loss of pressure and a large amount of cooling fluid in the extinguisher bottle.
God bless
What about adding a pump before the extinguisher? He told me he has one for the pressure..
I will use your method, but just want to know what you think about adding that pump.

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mar. mai 09, 2017 11:01 am
par joumpy
For cars, we use fuel pumps costing about 20€.
For a bus, you need extra flow and the pump price goes up to 100€.
My point of view: only useful to run at low temperatures and/or thick oil mixtures (palm oil especially) with a good bi-carb system.

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mar. mai 09, 2017 6:46 pm
par AlmaSana
joumpy a écrit :For cars, we use fuel pumps costing about 20€.
For a bus, you need extra flow and the pump price goes up to 100€.
My point of view: only useful to run at low temperatures and/or thick oil mixtures (palm oil especially) with a good bi-carb system.
i have this pump
http://tecnica-mente.com.ar/imagenes/bo ... 43_144.jpg

And look what id bought.
almost near the first ride!

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : mer. mai 10, 2017 9:52 am
par madguss
Hi!

This pump is not meant to run more than 15 minutes. It will overheat. I use one of these for my filtration station and after 30 minutes, it is really very hot and I stop it. Maybe if you add some cooling fins and a fan it might do the job... have a try!
The other problem is that the pump's membrane is made with a kind of plastic which is good with vegetable oil, but will not resist to any fuel or petrol...

:)

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : jeu. mai 11, 2017 1:24 am
par AlmaSana
madguss a écrit :Hi!

This pump is not meant to run more than 15 minutes. It will overheat. I use one of this for my filtration station and after 30 minutes, it is really very hot and I stop it. Maybe if you add some cooling fins and a fan it might do the job... have a try!
The other problem is that the pump's membrane is made with a kind of plastic which is good with vegetable oil, but will not resist to any fuel or petrol...

:)
it would only be for the vegetable oil.
thanks for the tips!
countdown..

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : jeu. mai 11, 2017 12:49 pm
par joumpy
This membrane pump ages badly with oil...
Only use it under your direct supervision or you will spill large amounts of oil!
Brand new, this pump costs about 100€ so better buy this:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/e ... oldflo.php

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : jeu. mai 11, 2017 1:00 pm
par madguss
Btw, what is the difference between the 480543 and the 480534E ? It seems they have the same flow and same pressure! but not the same price...

Re: [HELP-NEW] EcoBus. MB1114. Bi-Carburation

Posté : ven. mai 12, 2017 6:43 am
par AlmaSana
My fellow friends.

I remember joumpy told me to take the injectors to 200 bar or vegetable oil use.
What about using diesel/gasoil with injectors at 200 bars?

Thanks
good bles